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		<title>When Rape Fantasies Involve Conservative Women, Feminists Are Silent</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is worse? The father molesting the daughter, or the mother who knows and looks the other way? The man raping the girl in the alleyway, or the passive bystander who neither stops the attack nor calls the police? The mother beating her children, or the husband who goes to work and leaves the children with her? Who is worse? The abuser, the attacker is worse. But we are revulsed and disgusted by the people who aid and abet and ignore the perpetrators, and rightly so. <a href="http://anotheridea.org/2009/06/when-rape-fantasies-involve-conservative-women-feminists-are-silent/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>by <a href="http://www.melissaclouthier.com/" target="_blank">Melissa Clouthier</a><br />
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Who is worse? The father molesting the daughter, or the mother who knows and looks the other way?</p>
<p>The man raping the girl in the alleyway, or the passive bystander who neither stops the attack nor calls the police? The mother beating her children, or the husband who goes to work and leaves the children with her?</p>
<p>Who is worse? The abuser, the attacker is worse. But we are revulsed and disgusted by the people who aid and abet and ignore the perpetrators, and rightly so.<span id="more-2226"></span></p>
<p>Last week, ten women were the subject of a cyber-rape. That is, without their consent, they were subjected to one misogynist, Guy Cimbalo, and his rape fantasies, which appeared in his Playboy article titled “Ten Conservative Women I’d Like To Hate F***.” (The article has since been taken down.)</p>
<p>Perhaps you think “cyber-rape” is extreme. But consider what was said about Mary Katherine Ham:</p>
<blockquote><p>You get this one pregnant, she stays pregnant. Karma’s a b****, isn’t it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Implying that she wouldn’t want a baby resulting from rape, but because of her belief system, she’d have the child. Of course, she would deserve this treatment and fate, because Ham is pro-life. Carrying the baby would be karmic retribution for holding her disagreeable belief.</p>
<p>Cimbalo says of Amanda Carpenter:</p>
<blockquote><p>She is also a columnist at TownHall, a website for illiterates who disprove evolution by their very existence.</p></blockquote>
<p>She has been dealing with the fallout all week. Amanda Carpenter shared that on Monday — instead of working — she had to explain the controversy to her male coworkers. She said it was embarrassing and distracting. A friend sent her an excited email: “You made a list of the best conservative blogger women for Playboy!” The friend hadn’t read the article.</p>
<p>And now, when someone Googles her name, the Playboy list shows up prominently.</p>
<p>So imagine, if you will, that the list consisted of liberal women bloggers. Imagine if Amanda Marcotte, Jane Hamsher, Jill from Feministe, and some of the more vocal feminist bloggers made up the list. Right now, they’re all upset over a National Review caricature of <a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/06/national-reviews-wise-latina-caricature.html" target="_blank">Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor</a>. (It’s called satire. Remember this?)</p>
<p>First, the list would never be made. Why? Because Playboy considers liberal women to be sympathetic compatriots. Ironically enough, they’re on the same team.</p>
<p>Second, the outrage would be vocal and ubiquitous. Playboy made the miscalculation of assuming that conservative men are misogynistic pigs and, yes, sent the press release to them. They thought they would have a friendly audience that would link back.</p>
<p>Did liberal men bloggers get the list? Probably not, but Playboy would have found more sympathy with them. As conservative women know, the most vicious attacks come from leftist male bloggers. Spending some time in the comment section of an opinionated conservative woman blogger will curl toes. It’s not for the faint of heart.</p>
<p>Conservative women bloggers are used to being sexualized, objectified, and called names. Conservative women generally know that any voiced public opinion or any public involvement will mean attempted personal destruction. Which is the point of the Playboy list — get conservative women to shut up. Specifically, get beautiful, smart, young conservative women to shut up. Get them to leave the public sphere. Can you say Sarah Palin?</p>
<p>When Teri Cristophe — executive director for <a href="http://smartgirlpolitics.ning.com/" target="_blank">Smart Girl Politics</a>, a conservative women’s activist group which includes male members — contacted liberal <a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2009/06/03/playboy-mix-of-sex-hate-and-politics-demeans-conservative-women.html" target="_blank">U.S. News blogger Bonnie Erbe</a> about Playboy’s list, here’s what Erbe said:</p>
<blockquote><p>A couple of caveats are in order. First, I probably disagree politically with much of SmartGirlPolitics.org’s agenda — I know I disagree completely with the group’s position on abortion rights. But as a nonpartisan, I’m also a firm believer in supporting all members of my gender when attacked due to their gender. I am supporting these women herewith.</p>
<p>I also want to note that at least one woman on the list is so venom-spewing, she unfortunately invites venom to be shot back at her: Michelle Malkin. Her posts and her “routine” are so venomous and predictable, in fact, I stopped paying attention to her years ago.</p>
<p>Others on the list, however, are not venom-spewing at all. One woman mentioned on the atlasshrugs2000 blog is a regular guest on my PBS show. Amanda Carpenter, on the show at least, eschews personal judgment of people with whom she disagrees politically. So her inclusion on the Playboy list is much more offensive to me than is the inclusion of Ms. Malkin, although their political views may not differ greatly.</p></blockquote>
<p>So a rape-fantasy list is fine for a “venom-spewing” woman. That’s right. Most women don’t deserve rape except for the ones who “have it coming.” You know, the girls wearing short skirts, they kinda ask for it.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" title="We Can Do It" src="http://anotheridea.org/images/posts/post_20090609_02.jpg" alt="" width="80" height="104" />It’s nice to see a modern feminist clarify her position. Cyber-rape is fine for some people.</p>
<p>Bonnie Erbe’s opinion is rare — rare in that she actually hinted, if mildly, that the list is distasteful. She actually said something. Anne Schroeder Mullins of Politico acted the role of passive bystander by <a href="http://pinkelephantpundit.com/2009/06/03/rape-isnt-funny-and-thanks-for-nothing-bonnie-erbe/" target="_blank">whitewashing and sanitizing the list</a>.</p>
<p>Most feminist women did what they abhor the most: they remained silent.</p>
<p>Rather than coming to the defense of the sisterhood, feminist writers and bloggers turned their heads. Conservative women get what they have coming. They aren’t sisters anyway. They are women who have the nerve to disagree with the “real” women. Real women have one central belief and that is the right to abortion.</p>
<p>Ray Cimbalo committed the crime that the Playboy editors and public relations department set up. Feminist women watched the crime from the sidelines and did nothing. They remained silent. Feminist men <a href="http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/06/01/playboy_conservababes/print.html" target="_blank">defended the cyber-rape</a>.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, besides the women on the list and other conservative women media members (Megyn Kelly, Michelle Malkin, <a href="http://medializzy.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/playboy-writer-guy-cimbalo-republican-women-like-to-rape/" target="_blank">Elizabeth Blakney</a>, the Smart Girls ladies, etc.), who presented the most vociferous defense?</p>
<p>Conservative men. That’s right. Conservative men wrote ardently for of the attacked women. <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2009/06/01/playboy-in-like-flynt/" target="_blank">Ed Driscoll</a>, <a href="http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/06/playboys_hit_piece_on_conserva.php" target="_blank">John Hawkins</a>, <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/01/its-official-playboy-is-a-hate-site/" target="_blank">Ed Morrissey</a>, <a href="http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/06/02/the-playboy-article-nsfw/" target="_blank">Caleb Howe</a>, Allahpundit, <a href="http://twitter.com/JTlol/status/1997668543" target="_blank">Jim Treacher</a>. One liberal man likely <a href="http://tommychristopher.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/playboy-magazine-officially-hates-women-conservative-or-otherwise/" target="_blank">lost his job for decrying Playboy’s misogynistic actions</a>.</p>
<p>The feminist women remain silent. I don’t expect them to find their voices anytime soon. These are the same women who defended Bill Clinton’s sexual harassment and blamed the victims. These are the same women who savaged Sarah Palin based on her hair, her clothes, and her choice to have a special needs child. And now, these are the women who stand by and watch other women get attacked because they are beautiful and believe differently. The feminists say nothing.</p>
<p>The fact is, feminists want conservative women muzzled. And evidently, even cyber-rape is an acceptable way to silence their ideological opposition. Duly noted.</p>
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		<title>Emergency!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new Gallup Poll, conducted May 7-10, finds 51% of Americans calling themselves "pro-life" on the issue of abortion and 42% "pro-choice." This is the first time a majority of U.S. adults have identified themselves as pro-life since Gallup began asking this question in 1995. <a href="http://anotheridea.org/2009/05/more-americans-%e2%80%9cpro-life%e2%80%9d-than-%e2%80%9cpro-choice%e2%80%9d-for-first-time/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>Also, fewer think abortion should be legal “under any circumstances”</strong></em></p>
<p><strong>by Lydia Saad</strong></p>
<p>PRINCETON, NJ &#8212; A new Gallup Poll, conducted May 7-10, finds 51% of Americans calling themselves &#8220;pro-life&#8221; on the issue of abortion and 42% &#8220;pro-choice.&#8221; This is the first time a majority of U.S. adults have identified themselves as pro-life since Gallup began asking this question in 1995.</p>
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<p>The new results, obtained from Gallup&#8217;s annual Values and Beliefs survey, represent a significant shift from a year ago, when 50% were pro-choice and 44% pro-life. Prior to now, the highest percentage identifying as pro-life was 46%, in both August 2001 and May 2002.</p>
<p>The May 2009 survey documents comparable changes in public views about the legality of abortion. In answer to a question providing three options for the extent to which abortion should be legal, about as many Americans now say the procedure should be illegal in all circumstances (23%) as say it should be legal under any circumstances (22%). This contrasts with the last four years, when Gallup found a strong tilt of public attitudes in favor of unrestricted abortion.</p>
<p align="center"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://anotheridea.org/images/posts/post_20090515_03.gif" alt="" width="535" height="335" /></p>
<p>Gallup also found public preferences for the extreme views on abortion about even &#8212; as they are today &#8212; in 2005 and 2002, as well as during much of the first decade of polling on this question from 1975 to 1985. Still, the dominant position on this question remains the middle option, as it has continuously since 1975: 53% currently say abortion should be legal only under certain circumstances.</p>
<p>When the views of this middle group are probed further &#8212; asking these respondents whether they believe abortion should be legal in most or only a few circumstances &#8212; Gallup finds the following breakdown in opinion.</p>
<p align="center"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://anotheridea.org/images/posts/post_20090515_04.gif" alt="" width="535" height="264" /></p>
<p>Americans&#8217; recent shift toward the pro-life position is confirmed in two other surveys. The same three abortion questions asked on the Gallup Values and Beliefs survey were included in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from May 12-13, with nearly identical results, including a 50% to 43% pro-life versus pro-choice split on the self-identification question.</p>
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<p>Additionally, a recent national survey by the Pew Research Center recorded an eight percentage-point decline since last August in those saying abortion should be legal in all or most cases, from 54% to 46%. The percentage saying abortion should be legal in only a few or no cases increased from 41% to 44% over the same period. As a result, support for the two broad positions is now about even, sharply different from most polling on this question since 1995, when the majority has typically favored legality.</p>
<p><strong>Republicans Move to the Right</strong></p>
<p>The source of the shift in abortion views is clear in the Gallup Values and Beliefs survey. The percentage of Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) calling themselves &#8220;pro-life&#8221; rose by 10 points over the past year, from 60% to 70%, while there has been essentially no change in the views of Democrats and Democratic leaners.</p>
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<p>Similarly, by ideology, all of the increase in pro-life sentiment is seen among self-identified conservatives and moderates; the abortion views of political liberals have not changed.</p>
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<p><strong>&#8220;Pro-Life&#8221; Up Among Catholics and Protestants</strong></p>
<p>One of the more prominent news stories touching on the abortion issue in recent months involves President Barack Obama&#8217;s commencement speech and the bestowal of an honorary doctorate degree on him at the University of Notre Dame &#8212; a Roman Catholic institution &#8212; on Sunday. The invitation has drawn criticism from conservative Catholics and the church hierarchy because of Obama&#8217;s policies in favor of legalizing and funding abortion, and the controversy might have been expected to strengthen the pro-life leanings of rank-and-file Catholics.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, the swelling of the pro-life position since last year is seen across Christian religious affiliations, including an eight-point gain among Protestants and a seven-point gain among Catholics.</p>
<p align="center"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://anotheridea.org/images/posts/post_20090515_09.gif" alt="" width="515" height="283" /></p>
<p><strong>Gender Agreement</strong></p>
<p>A year ago, Gallup found more women calling themselves pro-choice than pro-life, by 50% to 43%, while men were more closely divided: 49% pro-choice, 46% pro-life. Now, because of heightened pro-life sentiment among both groups, women as well as men are more likely to be pro-life.</p>
<p>Men and women have been evenly divided on the issue in previous years; however, this is the first time in nine years of Gallup Values surveys that significantly more men and women are pro-life than pro-choice.</p>
<p align="center"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://anotheridea.org/images/posts/post_20090515_10.gif" alt="" width="515" height="231" /></p>
<p align="center"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://anotheridea.org/images/posts/post_20090515_11.gif" alt="" width="515" height="231" /></p>
<p><strong>Bottom Line</strong></p>
<p>With the first pro-choice president in eight years already making changes to the nation&#8217;s policies on funding abortion overseas, expressing his support for the Freedom of Choice Act, and moving toward rescinding federal job protections for medical workers who refuse to participate in abortion procedures, Americans &#8212; and, in particular, Republicans &#8212; seem to be taking a step back from the pro-choice position. However, the retreat is evident among political moderates as well as conservatives.</p>
<p>It is possible that, through his abortion policies, Obama has pushed the public&#8217;s understanding of what it means to be &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; slightly to the left, politically. While Democrats may support that, as they generally support everything Obama is doing as president, it may be driving others in the opposite direction.</p>
<p><strong>Survey Methods</strong></p>
<p>Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,015 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted May 7-10, 2009. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.</p>
<p>Gallup Poll Daily results are based on telephone interviews with 971 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted May 12-13, 2009, as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.</p>
<p>Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).</p>
<p>In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.</p>
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